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Why OpenStreetMap is not popular?

blogs.openstreetmap.org - dim 29 aoû 2021 - 2:23

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Disclaimer: All the text you read below is based on an online research aimed at the Brazilian market. survey link

It isn’t news - or shouldn’t be - that OpenStreetMap has a great value in sharing local information. It is a social impact tool for minorities and humanitarian aid policies. Despite the big efforts thousands of mappers who dedicate themselves every day to improve the maps, added to the diligent efforts by the BigTechs to promote their own services, the OSM is far from being the most ppopular map in the world. Or, at least a reference as big as its sister, Wikipedia.

A Hidden Gold Mine

Out of a group of geotech enthusiasts, the OSM is totally unknown to the general public. As we could see in the survey, about 68% of the participants had never heard about OpenStreetMap. Although most likely having had previous experiences with one of the various contact points (Tesla, SnapMap, BigMaps, Apple Maps, Facebook, Strava, Mapbox), most people still didn’t know about OpenStreetMap.

If you’re concerned about whether people see or not your work on OpenStreetMap, the answer is simple as that: Of course they do. They just don’t know where it comes from!

The main reason for this omission is that companies often try to hide our contributions in the smallest and most obscure lines of terms of service while building their own proprietary database, giving grumbs to the community. No need to name names, right?

But this isn’t an exclusive practice of large corporations. How often do apps like Maps.me, OSMAnd, OrganicMaps stop to remind their users that the data they’re using came from OpenStreetMap?

Truth is, no one wants to tell you about their Goose that laid the Golden Eggs!

Not everyone wants to map

In our survey, 47.4% of respondents don’t have the habit of contributing with the map they use. This doesn’t come as a surprise, after all, not everyone has the patience or even the interest in mapping. According to another study of pirâmide de conhecime (https://www.gislounge.com/defining-the-role-of-gis-and-needed-skills/)nto em GIS, the more knowledge is required for the task, the less the number of “enabled” people”.

OpenStreetMap took a big leap with ID to popularize mapping. Tools like Zapto (https://zapto.openstreetmap.org.br/) to add a locati (https://zapto.openstreetmap.org.br/)on, and initiatives to bring in more collaborators like Youthmappers, Mapathons, etc., [falta informação]

Within the scope of the common user, there is still a big barrier so they can effectively contribute as a costumer. If you don’t bring the product for as many people as possible to use, there’s no way to know what to update or add on the map!

Google’s omnipresence

It’s not a secret that BigG dominates our lives. From the searches you do, the way you access the internet (you’re probably using Chrome right now), to how you get around in your city, it’s there.

There’s just no functional alternative to Gmaps that works in Brasil, and even those who try to replace it end up having Gmaps as a backup. BigG conquered this monopoly using its position in the smartphone market and most popular search engine. It has since established itself as the only map provider for many regions, and with that many companies who need data have no other option but to surrender to BigG’s domain and use Gmaps in their products. This often takes the OSM to the bench, as a map post to backend or a cheaper alternative.

The lack of alternatives able to compete directly is glaring, even considering OpenStreetMap’s avid community of mappers. As of today, I am not able to recommend any of the avaliable clients to a colleague or friend as a better alternative to Gmaps.

People want to find places!

GIS Lounge Defining the Role of GIS and Needed Skills A recently published open access article presents three case studies to help analyze the level of GIS expertise needed for interdisciplinary studies. If someone asked me “what is my biggest disappointment with OpenStreetMap customers?” I would say that I have difficulty finding an address!

This is a serious problem in Brazil and other countries that insist on maintaining their proprietary address bases, which cannot be imported directly into the OSM.

Among those interviewed, 55.7% said they found it easier to search for addresses online. Can you imagine one of these people using one of the OSM-based apps to find an address she doesn’t know and that no one has bothered to map before?

This leads the user to frustration and ends up turning the OSM into a tool that cannot fulfill its own basic function.

Projects like Open Addresses (https://openaddresses.io/) try to fill this gap, but their data source in Brazil is not very accurate.

OpenStreetMap itself never wanted to be a flagship, and I doubt that will change in the short term. We need someone to guide us forward, but don’t forget those who came first.

In short, we need a client made for the Brazilian reality…

Por que o OpenStreetMap não é popular?

blogs.openstreetmap.org - dim 29 aoû 2021 - 2:20

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Disclaimer: Todo o texto que você lerá abaixo é baseado em uma pesquisa feita online voltada ao mercado Brasileiro. link para um resumo da pesquisa feita

Não é novidade - ou não deveria ser - que o OpenStreetMap tem uma grande importância no compartilhamento de informação de um local. É uma ferramenta de impacto social para minorias e políticas de ajuda humanitária. Apesar dos grandes esforços dedicados por milhares de mapeadores que se dedicam a cada dia melhorar os mapas, somado ao esforço diligente das grandes BigTechs para promover seus próprios serviços, o OSM está longe de ser o mapa mais popular do mundo. Ou, pelo menos, uma referência tão grande quanto sua irmã Wikipédia.

Uma mina de ouro escondida

Fora um grupo de afissurados em geotecnologia, o OSM é totalmente desconhecido para o publico geral. Como pudemos observar na pesquisa feita, cerca de 68% dos participantes nunca tinha ouvido falar do OpenStreetMap. Apesar de muito provavelmente já terem tido experiências prévias com um dos vários pontos de contato (Tesla, SnapMap, BigMaps, Apple Maps, Facebook, Strava, Mapbox), mesmo assim a maioria das pessoas não conheciam o OpenStreetMap.

Se você se você se preocupa se as pessoas veem seu trabalho no OpenStreetMap, a resposta é simples assim: claro que sim! Elas só não sabe de onde vem!

O principal motivo para essa omissão é que empresas frequentemente tentam esconder nossas contribuições nas linhas mais pequenas e obscuras de termos de serviço enquanto constroem sua própria base dados proprietária dando migalhas para a comunidade. Não preciso citar nomes né?

Mas isso não é uma prática exclusiva das grandes corporações, quantas vezes aplicativos como Maps.me, OSMAnd, OrganicMaps param para lembrar seus usuários que os dados que estão usando veio do OpenStreetMap?

A verdade é que ninguém quer contar sobre sua galinha dos ovos de ouro!

Nem todo mundo quer mapear

Em nossa pesquisa, 47,4% dos entrevistados não têm o costume de de contribuir com o mapa que usam. Isso não é uma surpresa, afinal nem todo mundo tem a paciência ou mesmo interesse em mapeamento. De acordo com outro estudo feito da pirâmide de conhecimento em gis (https://www.gislounge.com/defining-the-role-of-gis-and-needed-skills/) quanto mais conhecimento é exigido para a tarefa, menor é o numero de pessoas “habilitadas”.

o OpenStreetMap deu um grande salto com o ID para popularizar o mapeamento. Ferramentas como Zapto (https://zapto.openstreetmap.org.br/) para adicionar uma localização e iniciativas de trazer mais colaboradores como YouthMappers, Mapathons etc, [falta informação]

No âmbito do usuário comum ainda existe uma barreira grande para que ele possa contribuir efetivamente como um cliente. Se você não leva o produto para o máximo de pessoas usarem, não tem como saber o que deve ser adicionado ou atualizado no mapa!

Onipresença do Google

Não é segredo para ninguém o a BigG domina nossas vidas. Desde as pesquisas que você faz, a forma como você acessa a internet (provavelmente você deve está usando o Chrome agora mesmo) até como você se locomove na sua cudade, ela está lá.

Não há uma alternativa funcional ao Gmaps que funcione no Brasile mesmo para aqueles que tentam substituir acabam tendo o Gmaps como backup. A BigG conquistou esse grande monopólio usando sua posição no mercado de smartphones e ferramenta de pesquisa mais popular. Ela se consolidou como única provedora de mapa para muitas regiões, e com isso para muitas empresas que precisam de dados não tiveram outra opção a não ser render-se ao domínio da BigG e usar o GMaps em seus produtos. Isso leva muitas vezes o OSM para o banco de reservas, no posto de mapa para backend ou uma alternativa mais barata.

A falta de alternativas que tenham capacidade de concorrer diretamente é gritante, até mesmo considerando a comunidade ávida de mapeadores do OpenStreetMap. Hoje mesmo não sou capaz de recomendar nenhum dos clientes disponíveis para um colega ou amigo como uma alternativa melhor para o Gmaps.

As pessoas querem encontrar os endereços!

Se alguém me perguntasse “qual é a minha maior decepção com os clientes do OpenStreetMap?” diria que tenho dificuldade de encontrar endereço!

Isso é um problema serio no Brasil e outros países que insistem em manter suas bases de endereço proprietárias, que não tem como ser importada direto para o OSM.

Dentre os entrevistados, 55,7% disseram achar mais fácil buscar endereço online. Você consegue imaginar uma dessas pessoas usando um dos apps baseados no OSM para encontrar um endereço que ela não conhece e que ninguém se deu trabalho de mapear antes?

Isso leva o usuário a frustração e acaba tornando o OSM em uma ferramenta que não consegue cumprir sua própria função básica.

Projetos como Open Adresses (https://openaddresses.io/) tentam suprir essa falta, mas sua fonte de dados no Brasil não é muito precisa.

O OpenStreetMap por si só nunca quis ser um carro-chefe, e duvido que isso deva mudar a curto prazo. Precisamos de alguém que nos guie para frente, mas não se esqueça aqueles que vieram primeiro.

Resumindo, precisamos de um cliente feito para realidade brasileira…

hotel

blogs.openstreetmap.org - dim 29 aoû 2021 - 0:10

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Павловский Парк

blogs.openstreetmap.org - sam 28 aoû 2021 - 23:17

Завершил корректировки и дополнения в части западнее реки Славянки. Теперь карта вполне точно отражает текущее состояние парка на настоящий момент. Пройдусь по восточной части долины реки Славянки и вплотную приступлю к Дворцовому району. В целом там размечено все правильно, но надо навести красоту и аккуратность и кое-что исправить и дополнить.

Taggen von zerstörten Flächen

blogs.openstreetmap.org - sam 28 aoû 2021 - 17:31

In einem Posting unter https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=73680 ging es mir darum, wie taggt man durch die Flut zerstörte Flächen um diese entsprechend zu kennzeichnen.

Damit das Ergebnis etwas bekannter ist verweise ich deshalb darauf.

Zusätzlich sollten folgende Attribute dann gesetzt werden:

damage:date=2021-07-14

damage:event=#flood0721

damage:type=flood

Jan

Vakantie in Zeeland (hoe plan je die)

blogs.openstreetmap.org - sam 28 aoû 2021 - 17:03
Kan je je vakantie beter plannen met Openstreetmap?

Een week op vakantie geweest in Zeeland en wel in Breskens. Met de auto er naar toe en daar een huis gehuurd. Een gewoon huis in het dorp. De uitdaging hoe vind je interessante dingen om in je vakantie te doen. Zoek eens op VVV Breskens, er is geen echte VVV website voor een kleine plaats als Breskens. Er zijn wel wat boekjes met tips maar dan moet je die eerst helemaal pagina voor pagina doorspitten. Apps en websites die vakantie bestemmingen tonen zijn ingericht voor promotie van de meest betalende deelnemer en niet op jouw persoonlijke voorkeur en wensen.

Gezocht een handig systeem waar je je vakantie mee kan plannen die rekening houd met jouw wensen

Ik ben recentelijk gestart met het bekijken van Openstreetmap een wereldwijd open kaart systeem dat door vrijwilligers word onderhouden. Zo kwam het idee op “Kan een open source kaart systeem onderhouden door vrijwilligers informatie bieden voor de tourist”

Een analyse

Als voorbeeld case neem ik even mijn eigen vakantie in Zeeland

Ik zoek dingen die mijn gezin leuk vinden op de vakantie:

  • Strand (zoeken van schelpdieren, krabben, spelen in het zand)
  • Kinderactiviteiten (zwemmen, leuke speeltuin, spannende attracties, geen saaie draaimolens, klein museum niet te langdurig)
  • Eten (Italiaans pizza, Thais, Grill, Vis, Mosselen, Krab, Patat, Tomaten ketchup)

Mogelijkheden en Beperkingen:

  • Ik heb een auto maar een dagje met een boot of de bus is wellicht ook leuk
  • We zijn samen met vrienden, soms zijn we samen dan weer individueel
  • We hebben een (kleine) hond en we houden niet van roken
  • Als het regent wil ik ook wat doen maar dan droog

Ik heb OSMAnd geinstalleerd op mijn telefoon. Die heeft een aardige kaart en bied wat zoekfuncties en een filter systeem met voor gedefinieerde categorieën. De zoek functies moet je wel wat aanpassen om de voor jou interessante bestemmingen te tonen. Aanpassen gaat behoorlijk ingewikkeld en vergt behoorlijk wat doorzettingsvermogen. Niet echt gemakkelijk voor de doorsnee tourist. De resultaten worden getoond en gesorteerd op basis van de afstand tot je huidige positie. De filters tonen net niet die opties die ik nodig heb. Je krijgt een lijstje met bestemmingen maar je hebt geen idee of het werkelijk interessant is voor jou. Je moet daarvoor ieder item de details per stuk bekijken en vaak ook nog eens op internet opzoeken. Personalisatie is dus enigzins mogelijk maar er is nog heel veel te verbeteren.

Gelukkig was er een aardige buurman en die gaf me wat tips. Sommige stonden helemaal niet in OSM of waren onvoldoende ingevuld.

Ik zou graag willen dat de bestemmingen een gepersonaliseerde aantrekkelijkheidscore krijgen op basis van kwaliteiten die mij aangaan. Een restaurant waar ik niet in mag met mijn hond is niet leuk. Een speeltuin met maar één wip is minder interessant dan een grote speeltuin met zand en veel speeltoestellen. Een parkeerplaats in de buurt is een pluspunt. OSM heeft soms wel informatie over individuele attracties maar je heb behoefte aan een meer samengevat overzicht. Bij het Dolfinarium in Harderwijk zie je elke zeehond maar een samenvatting als bied 1200 m2 en 12 zeediersoorten was dan handiger geweest. Soms liggen er een aantal leuke maar kleine bestemmingen dicht bij elkaar dan worden deze samen weer interessanter dan ieder afzonderlijk. Een goed algoritme kan hier wel iets meer

Bied de mogelijkheid om een persoonlijk filter te maken voor zaken als

  • Verblijf
  • Activiteiten
  • Eten + Shopping

Om een goede match te bieden zal je de wensen van mensen in kaart moeten brengen en afstemmen op de onderliggende data en vice versa de in OSM genoteerde attributen moeten afstemmen op de vraag. Houd rekening met de mogelijkheden en beperkingen die mensen hebben door de resultaten te filteren op relevante criteria (toegankelijkheid, afstand, prijs, indoor, outdoor). Maak de userinterface niet te ingewikkeld en hou de kaart overzichtelijk.

Hoe verder

Ik denk dat de gemeente en de ondernemers wel oren hebben naar een systeem dat gratis is en attracties aanbied op basis van hun feitelijke kwaliteiten. Uiteindelijk profiteerd ieder ervan als je goede informatie krijgt over aantrekkelijke bestemmingen. Je kant contact zoeken met organisaties die belang hebben bij een toename in toerisme en de aantrekkelijkheid van een gemeente of gebied willen promoten. Deze zullen mee kunnen helpen met de inrichting en het uitvoeren.

De vraag is zien we OSM en gerelateerde tools als een hulpmiddel om ons te helpen om je woon en werk omgeving te promoten of hoort dit soort informatie en dienst verlening niet in OSM thuis?

The view from the summit of 200,000

blogs.openstreetmap.org - sam 28 aoû 2021 - 13:11

The helpful webstats that are provided by Pascal Neis measure map contributions per sovereign territory. In Ireland we still have a relatively small community, and would seldom have over 400 mappers appearing in his ‘kinda random’ 60 day view of the mapping contributions. It would also be rare to have over 100 map changes recorded by more than 100 of those who make it on to the chart. The pascal records these excludes Northern Ireland, who are part of our community, and where our active mappers also map a good deal.

Anyway, a few weeks ago myself and my fellow Traveller, AK challenged each other to get to the 200K mark. AK has been to that summit before, and me never, though it wouldn’t be uncommon for me to have 100K map changes. I am so thankful to have her comradeship and support. It became less of a race, and more of us egging one another on to map every day for the 60 days, which we duely did, and here is the proof.

What I have learned from this is that mapping is too often an isolated activity. Someone mapping alongside you is a lot more challenging, a lot more fun and certainly leads to more map completeness. The only difference in experience in mapping between myself and AK was she mapped Laois and Offaly, which are mainly rural, whereas I mapped urban North Dublin. I managed to make good contact with 2 or 3 mappers around the city who I didn’t know existed, but we ended up chatting over changesets.

What next? A rest, but back to my more customary 50-100K changes every 60 days. That would be Neis indeed.

کافه سنتی شبهای زاهدان

blogs.openstreetmap.org - ven 27 aoû 2021 - 19:13

کافه سنتی شبهای زاهدان

mapping holy wells

blogs.openstreetmap.org - ven 27 aoû 2021 - 14:48

On my Facebook page OSMForHistoryBuffs, I’m following a group about holy wells in Ireland, because that is one of my peripheral interests when mapping. People post there about holy wells they have visited, often with a number of photographs. Sometimes people ask for an exact location and are given a googlemaps pin (ugh). When I feel like it, I try to find out where these holy wells are and add them to OSM, obviously I try to avoid the GoogleMaps pin. Often enough, the wells are on the British War Office layer and can be made out on Esri imagery anyway. Sometimes I do then post a link to OSM in that group saying “I’ve added it, look here”.

I’m not sure it is gonna make anyone start mapping, but at least OSM will be better than GoogleMaps as regards to holy wells.

Yo

blogs.openstreetmap.org - ven 27 aoû 2021 - 13:23

Just a beautiful spot

Goooo

blogs.openstreetmap.org - ven 27 aoû 2021 - 0:56

Happy

Criação da Conta

blogs.openstreetmap.org - jeu 26 aoû 2021 - 23:23

Realizando testes

blogs.openstreetmap.org - jeu 26 aoû 2021 - 17:53

이게뭐야

JOSM.de gendert nun also schon im Hauptmenü.

blogs.openstreetmap.org - jeu 26 aoû 2021 - 17:24

Was lesen meine Augen in JOSM?

Für Anfänger*Innen.

Geht es denen noch gut?

Da bekommt man ja Augenkrebs von derartigen Ausdrücken.

Nett wäre es, wenn man zwischen gegendert und ungegendert bei Deutsch als Sprache wählen könnte. Kann man aber nicht. Statt dessen wird es einem aufgezwungen.

Ich habe die Spracheinstellung daraufhin in JOSM auf Englisch umgestellt.

Train Route Relations

blogs.openstreetmap.org - jeu 26 aoû 2021 - 16:13

There are A, B, C, D, E and F station, and there is a diagram amongst A-F railway:

Depature From to 8:00 A F 9:00 A C 10:00 B D 11:00 B F      

(Trains stop at every station [maybe ‘local’?])

Should I make 4 relations to show from what station and to what station every train goes? Or should I only make one relation that shows ‘from=A to=F opening_hours=08:00-11:00 interval=60’?

شرکت آچار فرانسه

blogs.openstreetmap.org - jeu 26 aoû 2021 - 16:05

تیم آچار فرانسه با بیش از چندین سال تجربه در زمینه خدمات طراحی وب سایت ، بهینه سازی ، گرافیک و تبلیغات یکی از فعال ترین تیم ها می باشد. این تیم کار خود را از سال 1392 بصورت جدی آغاز نموده و تا به امروز به فعالیت خود ادامه میدهد. تیم آچار فرانسه هم اکنون با بیش از صد ها نمونه کار در زمینه های مختلف در حال فعالیت میباشد و روز به روز به خدمات خود می افزاید تا بتواند یک آچار فرانسه واقعی برای مشتریان باشد هم اکنون تیم آچار فرانسه بیش از 40 خدمات در زمینه های مختلف ارائه میدهد

Natural Features at Nancy Lake State Recreation Area

blogs.openstreetmap.org - mer 25 aoû 2021 - 23:50

Good tidings!

My effort to add the natural features to Nancy Lake is finished. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/61.6291/-150.0966

What was the point of adding these natural features to a wilderness?

Well, besides being one of my favorite spots in Alaska, mostly I’d say it was just another project like mapping Anchorage where I could incrementally improve and feel some accomplishment at the end. At the end of the day, I hope these edits provided value but it’s my goal to be driven by the small neurochemical treat-reward cycle of editing OSM instead of doing nothing which would be less valuable than something.

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blogs.openstreetmap.org - mer 25 aoû 2021 - 18:48

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OSM的军事用地该不该删?

blogs.openstreetmap.org - mer 25 aoû 2021 - 13:51
hanchao

OSM是中立地图,基本原则是尊重客观事实。请不要随意删除军事用地

BJMTR

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Zh-hans:Chinese_tagging_guidelines

OSM的服务器不在中国,请注意维护国家安全,没有什么中立之说。

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